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Troutnut | April 24th, 2007, 11:17 pm | |
Administrator Bellevue, WAPosts: 2737 | This is a new favorite specimen of mine. I'll have a video up featuring this one showing its swimming posture, too. | |
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D. Troutnut and salmonid ecologist | ||
Jmd123 | December 7th, 2009, 12:07 pm | |
Oscoda, MI Posts: 2611 | Watch out for that proboscis - I have heard that these guys can pack quite a wallop when they bite! It makes me wonder if a trout could choke one of these down without getting poked in the throat and then coughing it back up again...I have seen large Dytiscid water beetles in trout stomachs before, but they don't have a hypodermic needle for a mouth! I would be curious to see if anyone has ever found one of these inside of a trout (or other fish, for that matter). Jonathon | |
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere... | ||
Troutnut | December 7th, 2009, 6:42 pm | |
Administrator Bellevue, WAPosts: 2737 | Back when I was just getting into fly fishing and still kept quite a few fish, I caught a couple ~17" browns with stomachs FULL of Belostoma flumineum. It even led me to a few unsuccessful attempts to tie an imitation that looked right and rode well in the water. | |
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D. Troutnut and salmonid ecologist | ||
Jmd123 | December 8th, 2009, 10:45 am | |
Oscoda, MI Posts: 2611 | Out of curiosity, where was this? And what sort of imitation did you come up with? Something beetle-like? Back in my early trout-killing days, I caught a number of fish with large dragonfly nymphs in their stomachs. I made what I thought were pretty convincing imitations, but the trout never did respond. I was either not getting my imitations right or I was overestimating the importance of those big nymphs in their diet...? Jonathon P.S. Ever run into Lethocerus, the REALLY BIG water bugs? | |
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere... | ||
Bigfly | December 9th, 2009, 7:59 am | |
Truckee, CA. Posts: 6 | I fish at Pyramid Lake Near Reno NV. They have a small(popcorn)beetle pattern they fish. I encountered a dragon fly migration there, so I morphed the pattern to match. Latter, I encountered the giant american water beetle. Morphed the pattern again. It fishes well as a floater, and can be fished on a sinking line as well,(I use a Rio 300 gr). Has caught fish in both still and moving water. #4 steamer hook, Rainy foam core, longer shuck greenish gold estaz, green-brown barred rubber leggs, tan loco foam pulled forward over the back. Take a magic marker and doodle a bit on the edges and a line down the back. Finish with hard head to prevent tearing when Walter eats it! I think of it as a Tri-tip style offering! Bon appetit! | |
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Jmd123 | December 9th, 2009, 11:08 am | |
Oscoda, MI Posts: 2611 | That sounds like a good pattern, Bigfly. I myself have never really encountered much of a bettle "fall", but in my early days on the Maple River (Emmet Co., MI) I did notice a lot of little bright green weevils that seemed to end up inside of trout, especially brookies. My attempts to imitate them didn't produce much, either... Jonathon | |
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere... | ||
Troutnut | December 10th, 2009, 8:05 pm | |
Administrator Bellevue, WAPosts: 2737 | Out of curiosity, where was this? And what sort of imitation did you come up with? Something beetle-like? The Bois Brule River in Wisconsin. The imitation was more like a sinking nymph in water-bug shape, with a synthetic body/wing... it didn't really work out. Maybe a foam fly heavily weighted on the bottom would be the key to stabilizing that pattern. P.S. Ever run into Lethocerus, the REALLY BIG water bugs? I've caught one or two, but never when I had my equipment around to photograph them for the site. | |
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D. Troutnut and salmonid ecologist | ||
Jmd123 | December 10th, 2009, 10:08 pm | |
Oscoda, MI Posts: 2611 | Jason, as an entomologist (MS, Michigan State, '91), I do have to say that I enjoy your photos. I have had a few opportinuties to do aquatic entomology in my consulting work, but not enough. Really, I wish I would get a bug job in the fall and get to spend our cold, nasty MI winters inside doing the ID...but of course, I have either ended up LAID OFF or doing wetland delineations in snow & ice... Perhaps my best entomological job was out in Oregon, when I was a field scientist at a place called South Slough Reserve near Coos Bay. By my own count from adding up my data sheets I identified around 85,000 benthic inverts I collected from little coastal Oregon creeks. Crazy - like 3-4 familes EACH of stoneflies, mayflies, caddisflies, beetles, true flies, and a few odd worms or other inverts in a stream about 1 foot wide and 2-4" deep. Not to mention juvenile sea-run cutthroats and coho, sculpins, sticklebacks, giant salamander larvae up to 14" long (!!), etc. A very lush and green place...Nice to reminisce sitting in a cold basement in Michigan. Jonathon | |
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere... | ||
Jmd123 | December 10th, 2009, 10:09 pm | |
Oscoda, MI Posts: 2611 | P.S. Caught a juvenile (no wings yet) Lethocerus in OR while electroshocking for fish once...about 3" long. Jonathon | |
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere... | ||
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Re: Spanish Beetle In Fly Tying by AndresT | 8 | Nov 25, 2011 by Sayfu |
Re: Anyone else find these to be important? In the Giant Water Bug Species Belostoma flumineum by Troutnut | 2 | Oct 9, 2006 by GONZO |
Re: Coffin Fly Spinner In Male Ephemera simulans Mayfly Spinner by Jackson | 6 | Jun 10, 2009 by Martinlf |
Five days of warmwater flyfishing in southeastern Michigan - from Jonathon In Fishing Reports by Jmd123 | 0 | |
Re: Stirrup tying method In Fly Tying by Martinlf | 2 | Jan 2, 2008 by Martinlf |
Re: Hellgrammite hell In the Hellgrammite Genus Corydalus by Sprattoo | 1 | Jun 5, 2007 by Wiflyfisher |
Re: Need to tie some Iso imitations! In the Photography Board by Jmd123 | 1 | Jun 15, 2016 by Steps25 |
Re: Using foam flies - your thoughts... In General Discussion by Lam | 19 | Sep 30, 2007 by Martinlf |
Re: Caddis ID Q? In the Identify This! Board by Greenghost | 5 | Apr 18, 2009 by GONZO |
Re: Isle Royale fly fishing In General Discussion by Valleyridge | 1 | Jan 12, 2011 by Jmd123 |