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Oldredbarn | October 9th, 2009, 6:56 am | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | ||
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Oldredbarn | October 9th, 2009, 7:07 am | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | GONZO...Just one question here...If it was good enough for Chauncey what's stopping you from wetting a line in the "Holy Water"??? Spence | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Lastchance | October 9th, 2009, 8:09 am | |
Portage, PA Posts: 437 | What a treasure. What year was this photo taken? | |
Oldredbarn | October 9th, 2009, 8:29 am | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | Lastchance, Do a google search, actually a google image search. Type in "Chauncey Lively on the Au Sable"...The first three images are of the front cover of the Angler's of the Au Sable's newsletter called the "Riverwatch". Follow the link(s) to web page and download and read issue's 34 & 35. Issue 34 has an obit and a few articles written about Chauncey from friends he knew from up there and a few nice photos. I think he passed in Feb of 2000. Spence | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
GONZO | October 9th, 2009, 11:05 am | |
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PAPosts: 1681 | GONZO...Just one question here...If it was good enough for Chauncey what's stopping you from wetting a line in the "Holy Water"??? Nothing, Spence...except poverty, work, and the limitations that both currently place on my ability to travel. There is a long list of places in the Midwest that I would dearly love to visit and fish, and the Au Sable is certainly very high on that list. I feel a connection to that area by way of some Chippewa heritage, and I have the same respect for folks like George Griffith, Art Neumann, George Mason, and others that you do for Vince, Charlie, and Chauncy. As much as we like to tease one another from time to time, the exchange between Easterners and Midwesterners has been one of the great things about Troutnut from the beginning. And both groups tolerate the Westerners because so many of their homewaters are also on our lists. :) Anyway, thanks for the photo. Maybe I'll yet have a chance to move the Au Sable from the list of places that I want to fish to the list of places fished. But the first list seems to always be expanding, and time and opportunity inevitably contract.... | |
Oldredbarn | October 9th, 2009, 12:24 pm | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | GONZO, I hear you brother! Just last night I was on the phone with the guy that got me in to fly fishing years ago. I told him that some evenings I head downstairs to tie and I feel the stresses of the day and sometimes feel like I'm rushing my work. I told him that at 55 I am sometimes bothered by the conflict between what I want to do and the things that have to get done...work etc... If I have a little problem handling some material or something at the tying table I get flustered and it can take the fun out of it. He really didn't have a solution to my problems, but he was a listening ear with smart-ass remarks peppered in his conversation as only a good friend can get away with. He retired at the end of this last year and he can't stop reminding me of this just about every time we speak. The half dozen names of "River-Gods" you mentioned in your last post could fill volumes. My fishing partner likes to call me "Mr. Lore" but it was he that introduced me to most of it. We have a stretch that we called simply, "The Wade"...In this section there are very famous places, amongst us anglers, and responsable for a great deal of good angling knowledge. In this stretch is Mr. Griffiths, "Barbless Hook" where TU came in to being in 1959. There is a stone on his dock with a plaque explaining this. He also has a large sign there aimed at the canoests to leave the river as they found it. There is a place close to my heart called the Thunderbird Club where Ernie Schwiebert was know to fish. There is the "Ginger Quill" which belonged to Carl Richards of "Selective Trout" fame...etc. When I fish this stretch it's like fishing with the ghosts of angling history. At the Lower TU access site there is a large boulder with a plaque in it with a saying by Art Neumann...This year a huge red pine came down there right across the boulder. Anyway! I just want to say that I guess we have the same names on our short list. Isn't the internet wonderful! If that old Au Sable somehow forces itself to the top of you list just let me know and I just might have to show you some of these places...I haven't even mentioned Mr Mason...He died in 1954, the year I was born, and I have sections of the Mason Tract that I probably could fish with blinders on... Take Care! Spence | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Oldredbarn | January 31st, 2012, 12:00 pm | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | I am moving this over here to continue the Chauncey thread and not continue to tramp all over the "Rusty Spinner" one... The following is from an email I sent a friend mentioning a meeting I had with Chauncey back in 1997 at the Angler's of the Au Sable's 10th anniversary that was held in Gaylord MI. Check it out…I was at the 10th in 97 (I think that was the year) and unfortunately missed the 20th. At the tenth I had the chance to meet and had a nice conversation with Chauncey Lively…I was like a little kid and rambled on with a zillion tying questions and remember a somewhat puzzled kind smile on his face like a grandfather might have for his overly inquisitive grandson… We are having our 25th anniversay on the last Saturday in April (Opening Day) again up in Gaylord. Since I screwed up and missed last time (the 20th), mostly due to re-hab, post back surgery that Feb of 2007, I purchased a whole damn table upfront! Me and some "old-school" chums are going to get toasted! :) If you read some of the links to the Angler's newsletter about Chauncey you will see he was a board member from the get-go...I'll try and move them here. Spence | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Oldredbarn | January 31st, 2012, 12:05 pm | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | There is a long list of places in the Midwest that I would dearly love to visit and fish, and the Au Sable is certainly very high on that list. I feel a connection to that area by way of some Chippewa heritage, and I have the same respect for folks like George Griffith, Art Neumann, George Mason, and others that you do for Vince, Charlie, and Chauncy. I moved this quote from G here per a request from Kurt...He was playfully teasing me from another thread about my insinuating, which I really wasn't, that us midwesterners & easterners had a monopoly on angling tradition...It's only in our heads Kurt...;) Spence http://www.ausableanglers.org/files/members/RIVERWATCH/RIVERWATCH34.pdf Thanks Tony! | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Entoman | February 1st, 2012, 3:36 am | |
Northern CA & ID Posts: 2604 | Great stuff Spence! Thank you for reviving the thread. BTW - Check out the "look Inside" teaser for this book. It's a gooden'. My mentor was fishing this water in the early 30's and my great Uncle Earl well before the turn of the century. To the surprise of many, this region's recreational angling history goes back to the 1850's. Native rainbows in their home waters are magnificent. There's something about trout found where nature put them that's quite different. My opinion of brook trout changed entirely after my first trip to Maine.;) Hmmm... I'd sure like to fish for browns in Europe someday to test the hypothesis. http://www.amazon.com/Shastas-Headwaters-Anglers-Sacramento-McCloud/dp/1571881360 | |
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman | ||
Oldredbarn | February 1st, 2012, 10:47 am | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | Kurt... I would like to read that one. There seems to be a lot of similar history between this area in the book you have here and the old Au Sable. I like reading about those "old days". On the Au Sable we had the logging era and a local guide who was an Indian, Chief Shoppenagon who was very colorful. We also had a consevation officier that was influential...Ours was Rube Babbitt who gave us the first plantings of Brooks in the system...etc. I have an old book called "The Old Au Sable" by a doctor Hazen Miller that traces the river's history from pre-settlement days, through the logging era, etc. You have a great many rivers out your way that have contributed a great deal to the fly fishing history. I love reading Ernie's stories about fishing the western Pacific drainages. Hemingway's brother on the Rogue etc. One day I'll make it out that way...:) Spence | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Entoman | February 1st, 2012, 7:47 pm | |
Northern CA & ID Posts: 2604 | I look forward to it, my friend. The same the other way. Yes, a lot of similarities. That's why I thought you might find it interesting. Fun factoid: Most of us learned about Black Bart & his gang holding up stagecoaches either in school or watching old westerns, but what is interesting is that many robbed were actually wealthy sportsmen up from the city on their way to the Sacramento or McCloud sporting camps. Good thing he wasn't interested in their fly tackle!:) | |
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman | ||
Oldredbarn | February 2nd, 2012, 11:46 am | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | Hey! This is a shout-out to "Those Pennsylvania Boys"...Tell me/us something about George Daniel! He is a guest speaker at our rod show next month...A good friend of mine has just started reading his, "Dynamic Nymphing" and is raving about it. Is there something in the water over there in PA?! :) Spence Fun factoid: Most of us learned about Black Bart & his gang holding up stagecoaches either in school or watching old westerns, but what is interesting is that many robbed were actually wealthy sportsmen up from the city on their way to the Sacramento or McCloud sporting camps. Good thing he wasn't interested in their fly tackle!:) Dealing with bandito's &/or stray arrows would sure add a different feel to one's angling adventure! :) | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Entoman | February 2nd, 2012, 11:15 pm | |
Northern CA & ID Posts: 2604 | Dealing with bandito's &/or stray arrows would sure add a different feel to one's angling adventure! :) Yeah, can you imagine? Like,"Hey guys, relax! They only shot the guy riding shotgun... So what they stole our money, watches, harassed/insulted our women, and ruffed us up a bit... We still have our tackle! The McCloud or bust!" :) Come to think of it though, we're as tough as our forebears! Are we men , or are we meece? I mentioned above about wanting to go after Mr. Brownee in his native lands... Let's organize an early summer trip! http://swittersb.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/fly-fishing-in-iran-with-amir-salehi/ | |
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman | ||
Oldredbarn | February 3rd, 2012, 9:24 am | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | We still have our tackle! The McCloud or bust!" :) Thanks for the morning smile mister! That is funny. Uhhh....I think I'll pass on the fly fishing trip to Iran...:) Spence | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
Martinlf | February 3rd, 2012, 5:23 pm | |
Moderator Palmyra PAPosts: 3233 | Spence, George Daniel is absolutely the real deal. He took me out on a highly pressured spring creek last summer in low water conditions and tuned my nymphing like nobody's business. I know several fish I caught later that summerI wouldn't have had a clue about how to approach without his mentoring. Buy the book; I'm going through it with a pen very slowly this winter and picking up more ideas. If you meet him, give him my best. | |
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'" --Fred Chappell | ||
Oldredbarn | February 6th, 2012, 12:52 pm | |
Novi, MI Posts: 2608 | Getting back to Chauncey...I don't know if I'll get in trouble here, been a dues payer since 1991 :), but the following was lifted from the Angler's of the Au Sable newsletter to members. They are republishing some gems from past issues because we are getting ready to celebrate 25 years...This was from Chauncey from 1989...He is speaking about the new regs (no-kill) for the Holy Water, which unfortunately caused some ill will, and a little about the history of such regs...Looking Back | |
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively "Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood | ||
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