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Boerie | February 10th, 2008, 3:18 am | |
Scotland / Russia Posts: 9 | Its about 14mm in length (excl tails) Any ideas? | |
Piscator Non Solum Piscator | ||
Taxon | February 13th, 2008, 4:34 am | |
Site Editor Royse City, TXPosts: 1350 | Yuri- Yes, but not necessarily a good one. To me, it looks a lot like Ameletus. However, the fly in the ointment is that they have only two tails in their winged lifestages. Is it possible the (apparent) 3rd tail in your photo is a shadow from one of the other two? | |
Best regards, Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com | ||
Boerie | February 13th, 2008, 10:16 am | |
Scotland / Russia Posts: 9 | Unfortunately not. This one has three tails. Thanks though - will do some research on that one though. I haven't heard anything from the Mayfly experts yet. | |
Piscator Non Solum Piscator | ||
Troutnut | February 15th, 2008, 1:14 am | |
Administrator Bellevue, WAPosts: 2737 | That's a puzzle. Have you got any larger version of the picture you could post, or any other pictures from other angles? Of the mayflies I'm familiar with, it most closely resembles Ephemera, but the shape just doesn't look quite right. I'm guessing it's some more obscure taxon, possibly unique to Eurasia. Where did you collect it exactly, and at what time of year? Any more information you can provide might help. | |
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D. Troutnut and salmonid ecologist | ||
Boerie | February 16th, 2008, 3:03 am | |
Scotland / Russia Posts: 9 | It was photographed in South Africa on a western Cape river called the Holsloot. It might be a pronggill(Leptophlebiidae),or more likely a brushgill (Oligoneurdae). It was photographed in October, which is early summer for SA. Unfortunately there are no other photographs worth posting. | |
Piscator Non Solum Piscator | ||
Troutnut | February 16th, 2008, 11:14 am | |
Administrator Bellevue, WAPosts: 2737 | I kind of doubt it's Leptophlebiidae, because they don't have such mottled wings. At least not the genera I'm familiar with. It's possible, but unlikely, that a South African genus in that family might have mottled wings while the North American genera do not. I doubt it's Oligoneuridae, because they're supposed to have this characteristic venation: Forewing venation greatly reduced, apparently only three or four longitudinal veins behind R1. This certainly doesn't fit that characteristic, which I found photographed here. However, that characteristic is from a North American key, so it might be unique to the small number of North American species, and perhaps African Oligoneuridae don't share that trait. It seems unlikely, but it's possible. According to Roger's website, the adults of one North American Oligoneurid, Lachlania, have just two tails. Usually that's a consistent number throughout a family, but I'm not positive it's always the case. But it seems like a strike against that guess. I found a page listing the mayflies of South Africa. It seems there aren't a lot of options other than what you guessed. Heptageniidae might make sense, except that it has 3 tails, and they don't. There are two families in the superfamily Ephemerelloidae that I've never heard of, so I wouldn't rule them out, but it just doesn't quite have the "look" of that group. I also wouldn't rule out Ephemeridae, but again the "look" isn't quite right. Other than those, the two families you suggested are the only viable options. I'm really stumped. If I had to guess right now, I'd guess that it's a Leptophlebiid with pretty different wings from the species I'm familiar with. | |
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D. Troutnut and salmonid ecologist | ||
Taxon | February 17th, 2008, 4:44 am | |
Site Editor Royse City, TXPosts: 1350 | If I had to guess right now, I'd guess that it's a Leptophlebiid with pretty different wings from the species I'm familiar with. Jason- You are absolutely correct. I sent the photo to Wolf Avni, Giant's Cup Wilderness Reserve, South Africa, who consulted Tom Sutcliffe of Cape Town, and advises me that Yuri's mayfly is a Summer Dun, Adenophlebia dislocans. | |
Best regards, Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com | ||
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